Episode

54

Navigating the Unknown: The Art of Guiding Change with Adam and Miriam

Change
Collective Change
Cultural Transformation
Leadership

In this episode, Adam and Miriam, co-founders of Open Circle, dive deep into the complexities of guiding change, offering practical insights into both horizontal and vertical transformations. They emphasize the critical need for understanding and accepting change, while also exploring the common resistance humans face, often rooted in our fear of loss. Throughout the conversation, they address the challenges individuals and organizations encounter when guiding change, from managing resistance to recognizing what is truly essential. Adam and Miriam reflect on how our evolutionary attachment to status and identity can make embracing change difficult, sometimes leading to anxiety, depression, or a lack of meaning.

Adam Rumack and Miriam Jones
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In this episode we discuss:

Key Takeaways:
Change is constant, and learning to navigate it is crucial.
There are two types of change: horizontal (superficial) and vertical (deep, fundamental).
Resistance to change, rooted in fear of loss, can block growth and lead to anxiety and depression.
Nature teaches valuable lessons on cycles of life and interdependence, providing perspective on change.
Vulnerability and listening are key skills for effectively guiding others through transformation.
Leaders must reflect on their own biases and be open to learning from others.

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Interview excerpts:

"Guiding change is about shifting from pushing change to guiding change."
"Our fear of change is connected to our fear of dying."
"Change involves something dying and something new being born."
"We’re infatuated with keeping what we have and not losing anything."
"In times of facing the unknown, we need to pause and regain perspective."

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